Numz - I am not back with you. I saw a story that got my attention. I got involved in it. Sorry I bored you with my posts, but it just happened that I had 5 days off to follow the story from start to finish. The story hit the AP Friday morning of a holiday weekend when I had a couple of extra days off. I told you in my first post - I'm a news junkie.
I find it DISTURBING that you on the one hand, are so indignant about what happened at Sweet Peas that night, but on the other hand you demean Jonathon the way you do. You are two-faced, in my opinion, and you're only out here to incite conflict. You waiver between wanting to punish to the max and ridiculing your DA for not punishing enough. Wishy washy at best. At least everyone KNOWS were I stand. WHEN IN DOUBT, LET EM OUT. I won't say that you're biased because you are married to a police officer, but I think you need to reflect on that for a while. As you know, I was married to one for 13 years. I heard a LOT of BS that would curdle your blood. I don't have a whole lot of trust and respect for the boys in blue, having been on the inside for a number of years. Some go one way, some go another. I also won't say that you're wrong to support what your hubby does, but I also have to admit that a badge and gun don't do a dam thing for me... just my personal opinion, based on experience.
Again, I say... take a break. Have a drink, get a good night sleep and get over yourself! If it were up to you, those guys would be locked up for a long time. And they're not. So, obviously, it's not all about what you think or say. If your ADA had such a strong case, as you've posted about incessantly, why did he cave in 24 hours?
Put your DUI guy in front of AP. How many times has he been stopped? Email the editor to do some stories on this. Yes, if it is an article with something worth spending my time on, I will be here. You make it sound so indecent that I might comment on something that is on the news. I really DO have a life, you know. I would never have been out googling for a Steamboat Springs newspaper and found this forum if it had not been for that story. Does it mean that the only thing I CARE about is what is in the headlines? No, it means that the only thing I HEAR about is in the headlines. Got a problem with your local drunk? Get him in the headlines - I'll be watching. Now that this website is saved to my favorites, you might see more of me.
"If you are so hell bent on seeing justice done, when might we expect you to make a stink over the magic wand wave when Billy Kidd committed almost the same crime? When can we expect you to render your voice in attempting to get Romick's license removed for on-going DUI issues?"
My answer is "When the Associated Press finds the story so ridiculous that it is plastered all over every news website in the country. If the SS Pilot and Today has a message board on it when I see it on all the news links I read, I'll be here with my 2 cents worth."
This is exactly what I meant when I said that the SS Pilot needs to put this story to bed and find something else for everyone to debate. That's exactly what I meant when I said it came down to the sentiments expressed in the very first post on the very first board "Maybe they should have left a note. That seems to work for some."
Trust me - if it was national headline right now, I'd be there!
By the way, Cheesehead, they did NOT represent themselves. Nor did they rely on the SS public defender. They hired a lawyer. Read the other 1000 or so posts before you state that they represented themselves.
Cheesehead, I have no vendetta with you. You took offense to what I said, so be it. I think that that SP&T needs to refocus on some other topics. This story is over and done with. No further RF bashing, or Locals bashing or out of SS bashing will change a damn thing.
I've followed this story since early Friday morning 9/1 when the AP article was posted on AZcentral. I've read hundreds of posts on both sides of the issue. It still boils down to the very first post, referenced above: "Maybe they should have left a note. It seems to work for some."
If they had been Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt and had left a note - even if they DID pee - they would not have been prosecuted.
That is discrimination.
And that is what will bring this country to the bowels of hell, when all is said and done.
And you all can post all your laws and interpretations and disgust with RF and backing or lacking of backing of your DA and ADA, and be lawyers, paralegals, police officers, locals, RF members, whatever .... you're not going to change my mind. Regardless of whether or not they PEE'd - when Jonathan Hieb told Kerry St. James that he did not support the punishment and Mr. St. James said he was going to make an example of these two young men, he overstepped the boundry of right and wrong and this issue was brought to the national public's attention.
If your ADA had paid more attention to the wishes of his "victim", SS would not be on the national radar. So I say again... it's time for the Pilot and Today to take this to another level and take Siller and Charle out of it.
This will be my last post on the topic - and I'm sure a few of you are happy to hear that.
I began posting on this board for one reason and one reason only. The punishment did not fit the crime. That was expressed in the very first post on the very first board. "Maybe they should have left a note. That seems to work for some".
My disgust was with the way your ADA penalized these guys for what amounts to some childish BS. Were they in the wrong? Yes. They were. Was the 10 days they spent in jail sufficient punishment? In my opinion, even THAT was over kill, but much better than 6 months.
What I learned by interacting with the locals was:
A. They don't like the DA and ADA.
B. They don't like Rainbow Family members.
C. They don't like anyone outside of SS saying they're out of line.
Oh well. My goal was to make sure that Siller and Charle got an "appropriate" sentence for their crime. There are some locals that think that urinating anywhere other than a clean public restroom is a felony. This person (or persons) needs help.
My other issue was with the owners of Sweet Peas being threatened and harrassed because of their "prosecution" of these two young men. I personally spoke with Jonathan and I found him to be very straight forward and upfront. I asked him a couple of direct questions which he answered, in my opinion, very truthfully. He impressed me as an honest, hard working, thoughtful person. That the very vocal persons on this board have slandered him (and you know who you are, N and J....) makes me want to throw up. They have their own personal motivations.... but that's just the point. They are PERSONAL. Those of us who don't live there, aren't bothered by the RF, aren't harrassed by your allegedly incompentent DA and ADA, we can look at it from a different point of view. more next post...
Another thought - this one for the Steamboat Pilot and Today - I think it's time to put this story to bed. You keep putting stories out there for people to comment on - well, surprise - It's over and done. Like it or not. Siller and Charle walked away. Felony - misdemeanor - poor judgement; doesn't matter. They walked away almost a week ago. Let it go.
If you want to have discussions, I think you should be discussing - with local residents - where to go from here. Many locals expressed a great deal of disdain for the DA and ADA. So pick up other stories and commentary and let the people of SS debate. It's not all about Charle and Siller anymore. Those of us from the outside made our comments and accomplished what we felt was needed. Don't beat a dead horse. Move on to your real issues.
I personally think the town of Steamboat Springs ought to invest in muzzles for Numz, Jelly and St. James. Your town might be a much more pleasant place to visit if they are under control of the animal control officers.
Sorry, Numz. Started to warm up to you there for a minute, but you're just too wrapped up in your p.o. hubby and human extrements to be worth your weight in words.
If Sweet Peas isn't too concerned about urine, I don't think you should be either. Chill out, have a drink, get a good night sleep and wake up realizing the truth is not all about you.
And so ends the saga of Giles and David... may they have learned a tough lesson and never ever ever take anything edible from a garbage can again.
Shall we move on to the story from Milwaukee about the 20 or so young teen boys who sexually assaulted (or took what was offered?) from the 11 year old girl while the 15 year old boy and 16 year old girl coached her? And what about the 16 year old girl's 40 year old uncle who admitted to having sex with the 11 year old? (No charges had been filed; authorities were reviewing possible charges - ummm, I don't know, sir. What do YOU think we should charge him with? sigh.)
Well, it looks like this board has been abandoned now (like the asparagus, cucumber and apricots that David and Giles removed from the "product despenser" (which I think Numz was trying to define the garbage can as to make it fit some CRS - that means Can't Reconcile Shat - law....)
Lesson learned for everyone here - you have a voice. You have rights.
I've read every single post on each and every board. In the end, it all comes down to the thought projected in the very first post on the very first board.
"Maybe they should have left a note. It seems to work for some."
Is that not what this was all about?
I'm glad that David and Giles are free men today. 10 days served is plenty when you truly examine the story without all the technical facts. I'm glad that the people of Steamboat had an opportunity to speak their minds, regardless of which side they were on. I'm glad the ADA had to rethink his prosecution of this case. I hope that, when all is said and done, the people of Steamboat Springs can look at their local government with respect. And I hope that Jonathan and Katherine are left alone to sell their veggies without harrassment and threats. It takes a bigger man that St. James to publicly admit their errors. Jonathon Hieb is a bigger man. He stated his side of the story without blame. He acknowledged his role in the whole problem, and he stood his ground to see that the right thing was done.
The 10 days served was more than sufficient. Glad they're on their way to who knows where.
Seanfeld - LOL - you got a good image of them in your head? You might see them there! Funny stuff you wrote! I've spent time in Chicago - mostly the bad parts.
Numz, honey, you're a bitter woman. You need a hug. No, no devil released. Just a wrong that was righted. Still enjoyed our boxing matches though and wish you and hubby the best!
I can't belive that St. James is still trying to double talk and blame and the Roesink still has no comment, although she griped about the story breaking on the holiday weekend when she wasn't available to comment (no, sweetz, it was FRIDAY MORNING while you were on public payroll....)
Right or wrong, distorted or accurate, he said she said we all scream for ice cream.... 10 days is plenty for old veggies. Glad for the outcome.
Chatting with David Siller and Giles Charle
Numz - I am not back with you. I saw a story that got my attention. I got involved in it. Sorry I bored you with my posts, but it just happened that I had 5 days off to follow the story from start to finish. The story hit the AP Friday morning of a holiday weekend when I had a couple of extra days off. I told you in my first post - I'm a news junkie.
I find it DISTURBING that you on the one hand, are so indignant about what happened at Sweet Peas that night, but on the other hand you demean Jonathon the way you do. You are two-faced, in my opinion, and you're only out here to incite conflict. You waiver between wanting to punish to the max and ridiculing your DA for not punishing enough. Wishy washy at best. At least everyone KNOWS were I stand. WHEN IN DOUBT, LET EM OUT. I won't say that you're biased because you are married to a police officer, but I think you need to reflect on that for a while. As you know, I was married to one for 13 years. I heard a LOT of BS that would curdle your blood. I don't have a whole lot of trust and respect for the boys in blue, having been on the inside for a number of years. Some go one way, some go another. I also won't say that you're wrong to support what your hubby does, but I also have to admit that a badge and gun don't do a dam thing for me... just my personal opinion, based on experience.
Again, I say... take a break. Have a drink, get a good night sleep and get over yourself! If it were up to you, those guys would be locked up for a long time. And they're not. So, obviously, it's not all about what you think or say. If your ADA had such a strong case, as you've posted about incessantly, why did he cave in 24 hours?
Put your DUI guy in front of AP. How many times has he been stopped? Email the editor to do some stories on this. Yes, if it is an article with something worth spending my time on, I will be here. You make it sound so indecent that I might comment on something that is on the news. I really DO have a life, you know. I would never have been out googling for a Steamboat Springs newspaper and found this forum if it had not been for that story. Does it mean that the only thing I CARE about is what is in the headlines? No, it means that the only thing I HEAR about is in the headlines. Got a problem with your local drunk? Get him in the headlines - I'll be watching. Now that this website is saved to my favorites, you might see more of me.
Want to talk more? Email me. You know how.
OOT
September 14, 2006 at 10:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chatting with David Siller and Giles Charle
Off topic, Numz: In answer to your question-
"If you are so hell bent on seeing justice done, when might we expect you to make a stink over the magic wand wave when Billy Kidd committed almost the same crime? When can we expect you to render your voice in attempting to get Romick's license removed for on-going DUI issues?"
My answer is "When the Associated Press finds the story so ridiculous that it is plastered all over every news website in the country. If the SS Pilot and Today has a message board on it when I see it on all the news links I read, I'll be here with my 2 cents worth."
This is exactly what I meant when I said that the SS Pilot needs to put this story to bed and find something else for everyone to debate. That's exactly what I meant when I said it came down to the sentiments expressed in the very first post on the very first board "Maybe they should have left a note. That seems to work for some."
Trust me - if it was national headline right now, I'd be there!
Bye.
For now.
OOT
September 14, 2006 at 8:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chatting with David Siller and Giles Charle
By the way, Cheesehead, they did NOT represent themselves. Nor did they rely on the SS public defender. They hired a lawyer. Read the other 1000 or so posts before you state that they represented themselves.
September 13, 2006 at 9:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chatting with David Siller and Giles Charle
The rest of my comments:
Cheesehead, I have no vendetta with you. You took offense to what I said, so be it. I think that that SP&T needs to refocus on some other topics. This story is over and done with. No further RF bashing, or Locals bashing or out of SS bashing will change a damn thing.
I've followed this story since early Friday morning 9/1 when the AP article was posted on AZcentral. I've read hundreds of posts on both sides of the issue. It still boils down to the very first post, referenced above: "Maybe they should have left a note. It seems to work for some."
If they had been Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt and had left a note - even if they DID pee - they would not have been prosecuted.
That is discrimination.
And that is what will bring this country to the bowels of hell, when all is said and done.
And you all can post all your laws and interpretations and disgust with RF and backing or lacking of backing of your DA and ADA, and be lawyers, paralegals, police officers, locals, RF members, whatever .... you're not going to change my mind. Regardless of whether or not they PEE'd - when Jonathan Hieb told Kerry St. James that he did not support the punishment and Mr. St. James said he was going to make an example of these two young men, he overstepped the boundry of right and wrong and this issue was brought to the national public's attention.
If your ADA had paid more attention to the wishes of his "victim", SS would not be on the national radar. So I say again... it's time for the Pilot and Today to take this to another level and take Siller and Charle out of it.
Peace, SS!
OOT
September 13, 2006 at 9:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chatting with David Siller and Giles Charle
This will be my last post on the topic - and I'm sure a few of you are happy to hear that.
I began posting on this board for one reason and one reason only. The punishment did not fit the crime. That was expressed in the very first post on the very first board. "Maybe they should have left a note. That seems to work for some".
My disgust was with the way your ADA penalized these guys for what amounts to some childish BS. Were they in the wrong? Yes. They were. Was the 10 days they spent in jail sufficient punishment? In my opinion, even THAT was over kill, but much better than 6 months.
What I learned by interacting with the locals was:
A. They don't like the DA and ADA.
B. They don't like Rainbow Family members.
C. They don't like anyone outside of SS saying they're out of line.
Oh well. My goal was to make sure that Siller and Charle got an "appropriate" sentence for their crime. There are some locals that think that urinating anywhere other than a clean public restroom is a felony. This person (or persons) needs help.
My other issue was with the owners of Sweet Peas being threatened and harrassed because of their "prosecution" of these two young men. I personally spoke with Jonathan and I found him to be very straight forward and upfront. I asked him a couple of direct questions which he answered, in my opinion, very truthfully. He impressed me as an honest, hard working, thoughtful person. That the very vocal persons on this board have slandered him (and you know who you are, N and J....) makes me want to throw up. They have their own personal motivations.... but that's just the point. They are PERSONAL. Those of us who don't live there, aren't bothered by the RF, aren't harrassed by your allegedly incompentent DA and ADA, we can look at it from a different point of view. more next post...
September 13, 2006 at 9:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chatting with David Siller and Giles Charle
Another thought - this one for the Steamboat Pilot and Today - I think it's time to put this story to bed. You keep putting stories out there for people to comment on - well, surprise - It's over and done. Like it or not. Siller and Charle walked away. Felony - misdemeanor - poor judgement; doesn't matter. They walked away almost a week ago. Let it go.
If you want to have discussions, I think you should be discussing - with local residents - where to go from here. Many locals expressed a great deal of disdain for the DA and ADA. So pick up other stories and commentary and let the people of SS debate. It's not all about Charle and Siller anymore. Those of us from the outside made our comments and accomplished what we felt was needed. Don't beat a dead horse. Move on to your real issues.
Peace, SS!
OOT
September 12, 2006 at 9:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Chatting with David Siller and Giles Charle
I personally think the town of Steamboat Springs ought to invest in muzzles for Numz, Jelly and St. James. Your town might be a much more pleasant place to visit if they are under control of the animal control officers.
Sorry, Numz. Started to warm up to you there for a minute, but you're just too wrapped up in your p.o. hubby and human extrements to be worth your weight in words.
If Sweet Peas isn't too concerned about urine, I don't think you should be either. Chill out, have a drink, get a good night sleep and wake up realizing the truth is not all about you.
Luv, Hon.
OOT
September 12, 2006 at 9:15 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Charle and Siller released
And so ends the saga of Giles and David... may they have learned a tough lesson and never ever ever take anything edible from a garbage can again.
Shall we move on to the story from Milwaukee about the 20 or so young teen boys who sexually assaulted (or took what was offered?) from the 11 year old girl while the 15 year old boy and 16 year old girl coached her? And what about the 16 year old girl's 40 year old uncle who admitted to having sex with the 11 year old? (No charges had been filed; authorities were reviewing possible charges - ummm, I don't know, sir. What do YOU think we should charge him with? sigh.)
Well, it looks like this board has been abandoned now (like the asparagus, cucumber and apricots that David and Giles removed from the "product despenser" (which I think Numz was trying to define the garbage can as to make it fit some CRS - that means Can't Reconcile Shat - law....)
Lesson learned for everyone here - you have a voice. You have rights.
I've read every single post on each and every board. In the end, it all comes down to the thought projected in the very first post on the very first board.
"Maybe they should have left a note. It seems to work for some."
Is that not what this was all about?
I'm glad that David and Giles are free men today. 10 days served is plenty when you truly examine the story without all the technical facts. I'm glad that the people of Steamboat had an opportunity to speak their minds, regardless of which side they were on. I'm glad the ADA had to rethink his prosecution of this case. I hope that, when all is said and done, the people of Steamboat Springs can look at their local government with respect. And I hope that Jonathan and Katherine are left alone to sell their veggies without harrassment and threats. It takes a bigger man that St. James to publicly admit their errors. Jonathon Hieb is a bigger man. He stated his side of the story without blame. He acknowledged his role in the whole problem, and he stood his ground to see that the right thing was done.
Peace, yall!
September 8, 2006 at 10:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Charle and Siller released
Crocodile Hunter?
September 6, 2006 at 11:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
DA agrees to release men in Sweet Pea case
The 10 days served was more than sufficient. Glad they're on their way to who knows where.
Seanfeld - LOL - you got a good image of them in your head? You might see them there! Funny stuff you wrote! I've spent time in Chicago - mostly the bad parts.
Numz, honey, you're a bitter woman. You need a hug. No, no devil released. Just a wrong that was righted. Still enjoyed our boxing matches though and wish you and hubby the best!
I can't belive that St. James is still trying to double talk and blame and the Roesink still has no comment, although she griped about the story breaking on the holiday weekend when she wasn't available to comment (no, sweetz, it was FRIDAY MORNING while you were on public payroll....)
Right or wrong, distorted or accurate, he said she said we all scream for ice cream.... 10 days is plenty for old veggies. Glad for the outcome.
Toodles.
And say hey to Jelly for me!
September 6, 2006 at 10:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )