The Last Stand
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On Rec center may have led to council losses
(anonymous)
November 8, 2007 at 3:06 p.m.
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Who Council did listen to was the CCRC group who ends up being a special interest recreation group in cahoots with the Parks and Rec Department under the guised of a “community group”. Lesson to Council: Beware of community groups that kick people out for not adhering to one opinion/solution and that are “unanimous”. Community groups are always inclusive not exclusive; and communities are everything except unanimous.
The sad thing is that this “community group” ends up shooting the real needs of the community in the foot (or the heart?) with it’s “let them eat cake” attitude. They misguidedly thought that the few of them knew the best interests of the entire community without asking or really taking the time and effort to find out, as they were advised is customary and prudent with community initiatives (duh?). They didn’t even listen to their own survey, were mean to anyone that even tried to suggest something different, and then acted above reproach when they got meaness back. I am dreading having to endure the continued hostility from some of them because I stuck to my guns and also had to stand up for myself (and the other 80%) in the process.
Somehow my “passion” for expanded recreation in Steamboat was not as righteous and their “passion”. I’m very glad I was kicked off of that ship. And as for my “honesty” montra that I have also been criticized for and made fun of, When did being honest become some kind of high-minded morality? It just comes naturally for many. Consider this: If you all would have tried to find a solution for the community with a truly open and honest process, would we be in this boat today? I don’t think so. How sad to behave this way – especially in a small town. I am sorry if f I got carried away at times too. It has been very frustrating.
I do kind of feel bad for Towney if he did lose his seat due to this, as he was the one that said of this proposal something like ‘I don’t question the need, just the creativity of the solution.’. That is my belief also.
Leslie Curley – as if you didn’t know
On Rec center may have led to council losses
(anonymous)
November 8, 2007 at 3:05 p.m.
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I think the rec center initiative is part of the reason for the council losses, but not attributed only to having brought the conservative vote en mass. 80% is representative of all voters, not just conservatives. Maybe Towney and the other Coucilmember incumbents now wish they had utilized Recreational Needs Exploratory Committee (RNEC), a citizens group that was formed and appointed by Council prior their deciding whether or not to put a rec center on the ballot.
Maybe they remember being told by members of the RNEC group that the Parks and Recreation Department, who was charged with leading the Consultant Team (du jour) to a viable community solution, were not (capable of) leading that charge unbiasedly. That they were simply leading the Consultant Team to the behemoth solution that was come to (surprise?) that this community has now soundly rejected and having nothing to do with potential recreation partnerships and/or the uniqueness of Steamboat.
Council approved this ballot initiative after RNEC members informed them that Parks and Recreation had stifled the purpose of the RNEC group by controlling and censoring any opinion not in line with an all under one roof “consolidated” big box solution. And even after the headline leaked by Chris Wilson and/or City Manager Alan Lanning reading: “Committee recommends recreation facility with pools” when our Committee (RNEC) told Council it had not, in fact, endorsed that or any solution. When Alan Lanning was asked, he said that no one was going to be held accountalbe for that headline and that they (staff) never wanted the RNEC committee and was never about listening to anything it had to say.
Lesson to Council: When you advertise and go through a competitive process to appoint an advisory citizens group that are giving their time and expertise for free, don’t just leave them at the mercy of a staff with an agenda that opposes the entire premise of that committee. Council basically ignored RNEC from start to finish.
On Michael Turner: Staff irresponsible
(anonymous)
November 6, 2007 at 8:07 p.m.
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Your sense is wrong. I don't have anything personal to say. I am exercising my right, as everyone else, to free speech. I was called out specifically, and I answered. And you know, I don't know who your are - titsikama.
On Michael Turner: Staff irresponsible
(anonymous)
November 6, 2007 at 7:42 p.m.
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Good to hear. You guys should stop. You are the ones that aren't about meaness, right? When it suits your arguement? I got the sarcasm. It wasn't hard. I just thought it was hyprcritical. It you want to throw out your “stereotype” (that you say you don't do), you should. It would befit this latest digression. Let the populus decide. That's what you professed, right?
On Michael Turner: Staff irresponsible
(anonymous)
November 6, 2007 at 7:28 p.m.
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No, just the pot calling the kettle black again. Flew right over your head.
On Michael Turner: Staff irresponsible
(anonymous)
November 6, 2007 at 6:31 p.m.
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titsikama - thats your problem, you base your world on stereotypes. Probably why you care about what kind of cars people drive. Yea, scary. Well see what the populus says…
On Michael Turner: Staff irresponsible
(anonymous)
November 6, 2007 at 3:24 p.m.
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Books - The I signed into this blog with a comment that was not directed at anyone and you and BoulderGrad addressed me specifically back, so I answered you back specifically . I do not know what you mean by “they” and don't have any control over other bloggers. I didn't fill up two pages with anything but quotes that if BG is not proud and can't stand behind is not of my doing. Yes, one should be able to stand behind what someone says.
You threw in more than one or two. So, it's OK for you guys, and just one or two are OK? If we all know who each other are then you know it wasn't I who started the namecalling & meaness and that my intentions are as good as anyone elses regarding wanting this rec center and I have certainly felt attacked too.
Beagle & a-l, I read the BG statement “Old Town Hot Springs (which is downsizing from what it HAD in this new renovation)” as a lie simply because I know they know this isn't the case, and it isn't. I don't know what else to call that. I read the following BG quotes
”As I have said, a rec center WILL happen. Pay now, or pay later. ” and the
“There was organized neighborhood opposition to the Curci-Turner site, which many still feel is perfect.”
”If the Curci Turner neighbors were smart, every one of them would have a yard sign out in their yard right now, and get this thing passed.”
as threats to that neighborhood that if this fails now that they will have to fight their fight again which is not what I would call community building and is just my read based the information I have which is different from yours.
Maybe healing over this can happen but when was I ever given a chance? I was the Rec Center's biggest fan and now I am angry that it might fail because of how it has all been mishandled and yes, because of how people have been treated meanly over it. BG and Books - you are not victims.
On Michael Turner: Staff irresponsible
(anonymous)
November 6, 2007 at 7:52 a.m.
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They are your words, BoulderGrad. You have to live with them. It's called accountability. If anyone wants to see them “in context” just click on BoulderGrad above and “view all”.
Your statements above are mostly just arrogant and ridiculous, but this one “Old Town Hot Springs (which is downsizing from what it HAD in this new renovation)” is such a false statement and illustrates the lieing from your side. The whole story is that OTHS downsized temporarily for the hot pool renovation and in Phase II of the renovation plans include expanding their fitness area substantially. They haven't come to the taxpayers for a dime to cover any of those costs.
I'm not even an OTHS “proponent”. Just a proponent of what will make the most sense for the whole community and FYI, getting community backing takes a history and record of providing credible information. I don't think most people are believing any of your info, and it might just all have to go back to the drawing board or be 100% privately funded.
See you at the polls.
vote no 2b & 2C.
On Michael Turner: Staff irresponsible
(anonymous)
November 6, 2007 at 12:17 a.m.
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MORE BoulderGrad Quotes….
“Are you computer savvy enough to read this? I hope so. If not, call the City and ask for the figures yourself.”
”Obviously, paddlefisher, you didn't make it through school. ”
”Ask the county commissioners why they won't be included. Those outside the city limits will have a slightly higher cost to get in, as they are not paying property tax. ”
”As I have said, a rec center WILL happen. Pay now, or pay later. ”
”Another thing to consider, if this doesn't pass, the project could very well go back to the Curci-Turner site, as that is 33 acres of city-owned property. I would think every homeowner in that neighborhood would have a yard sign in their yard, and be fully in support of the Tennis Bubble site. Don't you? ”
”In closing, how about we all meet at Centennial Hall one night and battle it out in a vat of jello?”
”Slap on a Speedo, Mr. Turner, and have some fun with the rest of us!”
”Also, one of our Letters to the Editor also disclosed this fact but the paper didn't choose to run this one.”
“There was organized neighborhood opposition to the Curci-Turner site, which many still feel is perfect.”
”If the Curci Turner neighbors were smart, every one of them would have a yard sign out in their yard right now, and get this thing passed.”
…..WOW BoulderGRAD, seems you’re not above naming names on this anonymous forum when it suits you?
If YOU were smart YOU would not have to resort to threats and lies to get what YOU want. YOU would go do the real work and achieve a solution honestly that the community wants and REALLY do some community building at the same time. And not take advantage of any more taxpayer dollars. Enough. Not like you weren't told that along the way. I hope the right people can still make it happen.
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On Rec center may have led to council losses (anonymous)
November 8, 2007 at 10:10 p.m.
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No sour grapes here. If fact I feel totally vindicated that everthing I did and said has been proven true. Keep working on it though even though it doesn't sound like you've learned anything.