Oh come on honestabe, which developers here aren't trying to turn a profit... and I have yet to meet any developer who "cares" about the community. Their job is not to "care" it is to make money. It is the PC and Town Board's job to care and to manage the town. So, the planning commission meets the 3rd wednesday of each month and please come and make your opinion heard. Otherwise, deal with the outcomes.
And Max, I didn't see you applying to the open board position that was just filled by Nikki. Your use of the word incompetence is off. "The other 3" take time away from their families, jobs and personal time to do the best they can. They are all trying to make Oak Creek into a nice community. They are informed and educated individuals. Grow up. You'll have the chance to vote in April, Max, and good luck to your candidates.
Alright, I think it is important to attend further meetings Honestabe, as I believe you have already probably attended some. And I think what Chuck said, about this STARTING the petition, is important. There is no guarantee that this will be approved, but pushing people away who will bring money to the town, which we of course, need, isn't the right way to go either. I can't say I am for this, but I think it is necessary to give the opportunity and show that we are cooperative. Alleghany will have to show benefit, compliance and need for this type of housing, I believe, in order to come close to an annexation. There are a lot of things that can happen in this petition process, so lets not jump the gun.
Greenwash, I encourage you to try and find a new hobbie other than bashing the OC. I usually hold myself back because it really does nothing to play your game. But today, your insolence and demeaning comments add absolutely nothing to the discussion. And if you have an ounce of intelligence, you certainly don't show it. If only playing the banjo with ease got one free stuff... but it only brings laughter and joy into the household alas. But you wouldn't know.
It really bothers me that Nightwalker won't pay for the taxidermist and move on. The pelt is not his to keep. The fact that he does not seem to understand this is what makes me think he doesn't take the crime he committed seriously.
Maybe you should move back into Steamboat CITY Fred, and let you county land return to its rolling hillside.
The 70's "Renaissance" is hardly the vision of Steamboat's future.
When at a lack for true answers going forward we look at the past and assume the best? Both Republican-y and mavericky. Can Cari see 700 from her yard?
Why do you think that no one else will pick up 700 down the road? When demand rings it's bell, developers are never far away. Salivating.
I was told that the developer would go with whatever contractors are cheapest. Now who do you think that will be? A big housing contractor from the front range? Or some one man shows with a crew and an office/ garage? The front range is working for pennies to our dollars right now. Why do you think the city continues to contract most of their work out to businesses outside Steamboat? All you out of work construction folk who think this is the way out of the recession... you are too expensive because you actually live here. Danny has no way of knowing what a contractor can build a house for. In this current climate, find one to build a house for $200/sqft with the land already owned. You can't. Even if we get out of this economy and start going back up, wages aren't going to skyrocket. Furthermore, realtors. Sigh. You didn't have to put your names on paper for the whole county to know you want 700. Probably 50% of that support advertisement was you guys. So you can flip your land that you buy up for more money thus taking any "affordability, attainability" out of the picture. Why would you change whats been working for the past decade or two? Yes, I am aware of the "flipping clause" and it only applies to the SECOND owner, aka, the people the realtors sell it to. Because when it goes on the market, out of work "working class" people will still be struggling and probably won't be able to qualify for a loan. If you have been paying attention to the skyrocketing credit card fees, how many "working class" folks will have any income left for a 700 unit?
This is going to pass, with Cari's campaign line drawn in the sand... Danny doesn't need to convince her, I can't wait to see him try! She knows and he knows the votes to annex are already there, and this might be the greatest council hoax ever in Steamboat. If she truly cared about this, she would have the power to make a difference to fellow council members, like Loui and Quinn. 122 people supporting 700 on the back of a newspaper don't equal the constituents to merit the vote of four council members. Remember who you represent folks? And Jon Quinn, you are right, maybe you shouldn't be so passionate about it. Maybe you should start using the thing on your shoulders. Annexing this, and the embarrassing way our council is bowing down to these developers is a mistake. Yes, Fred, a mistake. Council is single-handedly making us look foolish. "Oh, we've come so far, they've spent so much."
Anyone see the real estate auction in hayden oct 18th? I hear lots can go for as low as 30K. Now that is affordable.
I agree with Ybul, consumer confidence isn't there because the money isn't there. People are really trying to correct the errors of their past.
I hope I am wrong. I hope the flood gates open and the golden geese flock once again.
And yes, Rob, I know I don't really matter because I don't use my name. So don't even bother to write it.
City Council candidates discuss local economy
I have always understood that "middle class development" doesn't turn the profit for developers because of the cost of land. Am I wrong here?
October 30, 2009 at 9:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Police investigating sexual assault
I misunderstood what you were looking for Seeuski. My apologies
October 30, 2009 at 8:49 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Police investigating sexual assault
Seeuski, duh. You said it. "important for the public to be aware so as to take necessary precautions for their own safety" And please, do just that.
what else do you need, the victim's name? The perp before he is jailed? the terrible details? Come on!
October 29, 2009 at 4:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Oak Creek OKs annexation process
Oh come on honestabe, which developers here aren't trying to turn a profit... and I have yet to meet any developer who "cares" about the community. Their job is not to "care" it is to make money. It is the PC and Town Board's job to care and to manage the town. So, the planning commission meets the 3rd wednesday of each month and please come and make your opinion heard. Otherwise, deal with the outcomes.
And Max, I didn't see you applying to the open board position that was just filled by Nikki. Your use of the word incompetence is off. "The other 3" take time away from their families, jobs and personal time to do the best they can. They are all trying to make Oak Creek into a nice community. They are informed and educated individuals. Grow up. You'll have the chance to vote in April, Max, and good luck to your candidates.
October 24, 2009 at 1:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Oak Creek OKs annexation process
also, honestabe, I live near the proposed development and I received two notices.
October 24, 2009 at 9:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Oak Creek OKs annexation process
Alright, I think it is important to attend further meetings Honestabe, as I believe you have already probably attended some. And I think what Chuck said, about this STARTING the petition, is important. There is no guarantee that this will be approved, but pushing people away who will bring money to the town, which we of course, need, isn't the right way to go either. I can't say I am for this, but I think it is necessary to give the opportunity and show that we are cooperative. Alleghany will have to show benefit, compliance and need for this type of housing, I believe, in order to come close to an annexation. There are a lot of things that can happen in this petition process, so lets not jump the gun.
Greenwash, I encourage you to try and find a new hobbie other than bashing the OC. I usually hold myself back because it really does nothing to play your game. But today, your insolence and demeaning comments add absolutely nothing to the discussion. And if you have an ounce of intelligence, you certainly don't show it. If only playing the banjo with ease got one free stuff... but it only brings laughter and joy into the household alas. But you wouldn't know.
October 24, 2009 at 9:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Mike Forney: Stop casting stones
It really bothers me that Nightwalker won't pay for the taxidermist and move on. The pelt is not his to keep. The fact that he does not seem to understand this is what makes me think he doesn't take the crime he committed seriously.
October 12, 2009 at 12:13 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steamboat 700 still confident despite near defeat
Still, contractors are cheaper in denver because the cost of living is cheaper. Medical treatment is hardly comparable to this.
October 2, 2009 at 9:33 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steamboat 700 still confident despite near defeat
Maybe you should move back into Steamboat CITY Fred, and let you county land return to its rolling hillside.
The 70's "Renaissance" is hardly the vision of Steamboat's future.
When at a lack for true answers going forward we look at the past and assume the best? Both Republican-y and mavericky. Can Cari see 700 from her yard?
Why do you think that no one else will pick up 700 down the road? When demand rings it's bell, developers are never far away. Salivating.
There are plenty of ghost towns Fred.
October 2, 2009 at 9:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Steamboat 700 still confident despite near defeat
I was told that the developer would go with whatever contractors are cheapest. Now who do you think that will be? A big housing contractor from the front range? Or some one man shows with a crew and an office/ garage? The front range is working for pennies to our dollars right now. Why do you think the city continues to contract most of their work out to businesses outside Steamboat? All you out of work construction folk who think this is the way out of the recession... you are too expensive because you actually live here. Danny has no way of knowing what a contractor can build a house for. In this current climate, find one to build a house for $200/sqft with the land already owned. You can't. Even if we get out of this economy and start going back up, wages aren't going to skyrocket.
Furthermore, realtors. Sigh. You didn't have to put your names on paper for the whole county to know you want 700. Probably 50% of that support advertisement was you guys. So you can flip your land that you buy up for more money thus taking any "affordability, attainability" out of the picture. Why would you change whats been working for the past decade or two?
Yes, I am aware of the "flipping clause" and it only applies to the SECOND owner, aka, the people the realtors sell it to. Because when it goes on the market, out of work "working class" people will still be struggling and probably won't be able to qualify for a loan. If you have been paying attention to the skyrocketing credit card fees, how many "working class" folks will have any income left for a 700 unit?
This is going to pass, with Cari's campaign line drawn in the sand... Danny doesn't need to convince her, I can't wait to see him try! She knows and he knows the votes to annex are already there, and this might be the greatest council hoax ever in Steamboat. If she truly cared about this, she would have the power to make a difference to fellow council members, like Loui and Quinn. 122 people supporting 700 on the back of a newspaper don't equal the constituents to merit the vote of four council members. Remember who you represent folks? And Jon Quinn, you are right, maybe you shouldn't be so passionate about it. Maybe you should start using the thing on your shoulders.
Annexing this, and the embarrassing way our council is bowing down to these developers is a mistake. Yes, Fred, a mistake. Council is single-handedly making us look foolish. "Oh, we've come so far, they've spent so much."
Anyone see the real estate auction in hayden oct 18th? I hear lots can go for as low as 30K. Now that is affordable.
I agree with Ybul, consumer confidence isn't there because the money isn't there. People are really trying to correct the errors of their past.
I hope I am wrong. I hope the flood gates open and the golden geese flock once again.
And yes, Rob, I know I don't really matter because I don't use my name. So don't even bother to write it.
October 2, 2009 at 8:04 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )