George, Very entertaining. You mock my math and then use the kind of math Vote No used. By the way my math was a poke at how pathetic and apathetic we have become. With only 60% of the population registered and only 60% (a record) of them voting, I have to wonder what is the real representation? Do I really have to bring up the grocery store w/most of the people west of 13th using it, decreased traffic from the west, that this was a 20 - 30 year project, that 25% is better than 0, ect. to show you're math is Vote No math? As far as Charlie goes, maybe he is familiar with the fact that over 40% of our population is in or works for the government and the government produces nothing (maybe a few overpriced inferior cars now). Or that history shows that as the economy crashes, it is the producers that survive and recover faster. Reagan, probably, Marx, probably not. The City bled SB700 and I do not see them coming back for more. I also see the precedent of "give give give and see no return" has been set for all who dare.
Scott, Could the vote be considered reason to abandon the urban growth boundary? Could cents not sense have more to do with political decisions? Why is South Valley a better location?
If I'm SB700, I'm suing the City and recovering the Victory Hwy money and all the other money extorted for the project, making a deal with the County on the whole 5 acre thing, packing my money (a lot more than if the annexation were approved) and moving on to retirement (talk about no long term obligation). Even without 5 acre lots, SB700 still has no economic incentive to play the City's game again. I hope you're right about us seeing a new version, but if not, Welcome to Aspen II.
Scott, 61% of the 60% that registered being 60% of the population, do not understand simple economics if they want Steamboat to ever have any affordable housing. And as you point out, the "haves" won and the "have nots" lost. George, It seems that you are suggesting a better plan can be made. Unfortunately that boat has sailed and no developer in their right mind will ever try to accommodate the City again. TWill, Good point, now the TAX PAYER will be paying for the Victory Highway and all of the Hwy 40 improvements. Thanks for voting no. Please reread Charlie's letter and get the point that he was very fortunate to have genes that taught him that hard work and actually producing something will guarantee his success. Time will judge if he can live up to the high bar his family has set for him.
lewi, You are right to say "No it was not exactly what we asked for" because it was so much MORE. (Money for Hwy 40, 15 acres, parks, school, retail space, infrastructure, jobs...) That you, the 61%, can not understand simple economics is at the heart of the end of Steamboat. What part of more houses do you not understand? The "I want a free house downtown" were joined by the "I want my house to double in price every 2 years" and voted to make us Aspen II. Back to Charles, he is 24 and he gets it. His letter is probably the best written, most well thought out and eloquent thing ever printed by the Pilot. I have no doubt that Charles will prosper, it is just sad that it will not be from making Steamboat a better place but from building second homes in place of the homes that now house locals.
Looking the gift horse in the mouth? $30 to $40 million will be charged to the tax payer if you vote no. Lets Vote says "2000 homes not selling + 2000 more = lower home values". Is that not the definition of affordable housing?
carlyle Why were you and the others, that believe Jane should have been fired, not at the meeting last night? I was there and was the only person that spoke to the accountability for the mistake that was made. My continued concern is that Jane, and the others responsible for the mistake, are not suffering any consequences for their actions. As I understand it, they are still illeagly $34,000 over budget. Is Jane volunteering to cover that or does she expect her underlings to suck that up also? Mind numming to think of employees taking a pay cut because their boss dropped the ball.
addlip2U "Thank you "Let's vote", you have done a great job! :)" Yeah, Thanks for adding to the cost. Thanks for subsidising the local press. Thanks for undermining the experts and/or voluntieers. Thanks for not explaining the consequenses of signing the petition. Thanks for useing partial facts and induindo. Thanks for trashing 15 years of effort......
Let's go back to this whole public vote thing. First, how many of the City residents are registered to vote? I know that every election it sickens me to see the stats on the low percentages of registered voters that vote, let alone the low number that are registered in the first place. So your vote is garbage from the go even without the non-input of the others it will effect. Second, how is that very small percentage of the population of the City going to gather information on this oh so important issue? If they see a sign on the side of the road as they go to vote: (I know it would be by mail)
NO More Traffic NO More Infrastructure Cost NO 700
Or
More Houses = Lower Prices YES on 700
Or
Save and Elk, Shoot a Developer NO on 700
Ect::.
How are they going to vote?
You may think I'm joking, but many voters will and have voted based on the last piece of information they have seen or heard.
We have paid many people and others have volunteered hundreds of hours to make this the best plan it can be. Steamboat is going to grow, why let a few under and/or miss informed voters undo this effort to have some control over it.
nxoby36 Let me be the first cyclist to agree with you on the license us up and make us responisble. Unfortunatly it will not make us safer, as the new law is trying to do. inmyopinion Do you say "uggghh" when you have to change lanes to pass a tractor going 15 mph down Lincoln? All I invite you to reread RCR's post. How many of you notice the hundreds of riders that you pass every day that are riding single file and obeying the laws?
Charlie MacArthur: A virtuous profit
Real nice jk. Hind sight is 20/20.
March 15, 2010 at 7:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Charlie MacArthur: A virtuous profit
George,
Very entertaining. You mock my math and then use the kind of math Vote No used.
By the way my math was a poke at how pathetic and apathetic we have become. With only 60% of the population registered and only 60% (a record) of them voting, I have to wonder what is the real representation?
Do I really have to bring up the grocery store w/most of the people west of 13th using it, decreased traffic from the west, that this was a 20 - 30 year project, that 25% is better than 0, ect. to show you're math is Vote No math?
As far as Charlie goes, maybe he is familiar with the fact that over 40% of our population is in or works for the government and the government produces nothing (maybe a few overpriced inferior cars now). Or that history shows that as the economy crashes, it is the producers that survive and recover faster. Reagan, probably, Marx, probably not.
The City bled SB700 and I do not see them coming back for more. I also see the precedent of "give give give and see no return" has been set for all who dare.
Scott,
Could the vote be considered reason to abandon the urban growth boundary?
Could cents not sense have more to do with political decisions?
Why is South Valley a better location?
March 15, 2010 at 7:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Charlie MacArthur: A virtuous profit
If I'm SB700, I'm suing the City and recovering the Victory Hwy money and all the other money extorted for the project, making a deal with the County on the whole 5 acre thing, packing my money (a lot more than if the annexation were approved) and moving on to retirement (talk about no long term obligation). Even without 5 acre lots, SB700 still has no economic incentive to play the City's game again.
I hope you're right about us seeing a new version, but if not, Welcome to Aspen II.
March 15, 2010 at 5:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Charlie MacArthur: A virtuous profit
Scott,
61% of the 60% that registered being 60% of the population, do not understand simple economics if they want Steamboat to ever have any affordable housing. And as you point out, the "haves" won and the "have nots" lost.
George,
It seems that you are suggesting a better plan can be made. Unfortunately that boat has sailed and no developer in their right mind will ever try to accommodate the City again.
TWill,
Good point, now the TAX PAYER will be paying for the Victory Highway and all of the Hwy 40 improvements. Thanks for voting no.
Please reread Charlie's letter and get the point that he was very fortunate to have genes that taught him that hard work and actually producing something will guarantee his success. Time will judge if he can live up to the high bar his family has set for him.
March 15, 2010 at 4:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Charlie MacArthur: A virtuous profit
lewi,
You are right to say "No it was not exactly what we asked for" because it was so much MORE. (Money for Hwy 40, 15 acres, parks, school, retail space, infrastructure, jobs...)
That you, the 61%, can not understand simple economics is at the heart of the end of Steamboat. What part of more houses do you not understand? The "I want a free house downtown" were joined by the "I want my house to double in price every 2 years" and voted to make us Aspen II.
Back to Charles, he is 24 and he gets it. His letter is probably the best written, most well thought out and eloquent thing ever printed by the Pilot. I have no doubt that Charles will prosper, it is just sad that it will not be from making Steamboat a better place but from building second homes in place of the homes that now house locals.
March 15, 2010 at 11:53 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Routt County loses out on $15.5M road grant
Looking the gift horse in the mouth?
$30 to $40 million will be charged to the tax payer if you vote no.
Lets Vote says "2000 homes not selling + 2000 more = lower home values". Is that not the definition of affordable housing?
February 23, 2010 at 9:10 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BOCES retains Toothaker as executive director
carlyle
Why were you and the others, that believe Jane should have been fired, not at the meeting last night?
I was there and was the only person that spoke to the accountability for the mistake that was made.
My continued concern is that Jane, and the others responsible for the mistake, are not suffering any consequences for their actions. As I understand it, they are still illeagly $34,000 over budget. Is Jane volunteering to cover that or does she expect her underlings to suck that up also?
Mind numming to think of employees taking a pay cut because their boss dropped the ball.
November 24, 2009 at 3:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Petition for 700 vote succeeds
addlip2U
"Thank you "Let's vote", you have done a great job! :)"
Yeah,
Thanks for adding to the cost.
Thanks for subsidising the local press.
Thanks for undermining the experts and/or voluntieers.
Thanks for not explaining the consequenses of signing the petition.
Thanks for useing partial facts and induindo.
Thanks for trashing 15 years of effort......
This is preposterous!
November 19, 2009 at 5:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Committee collecting signatures to put Steamboat 700 to vote
Let's go back to this whole public vote thing.
First, how many of the City residents are registered to vote?
I know that every election it sickens me to see the stats on the low percentages of registered voters that vote, let alone the low number that are registered in the first place.
So your vote is garbage from the go even without the non-input of the others it will effect.
Second, how is that very small percentage of the population of the City going to gather information on this oh so important issue?
If they see a sign on the side of the road as they go to vote: (I know it would be by mail)
NO More Traffic
NO More Infrastructure Cost
NO 700
Or
More Houses = Lower Prices
YES on 700
Or
Save and Elk, Shoot a Developer
NO on 700
Ect::.
How are they going to vote?
You may think I'm joking, but many voters will and have voted based on the last piece of information they have seen or heard.
We have paid many people and others have volunteered hundreds of hours to make this the best plan it can be. Steamboat is going to grow, why let a few under and/or miss informed voters undo this effort to have some control over it.
October 21, 2009 at 4:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Colorado bicyclists gain new road rules
nxoby36
Let me be the first cyclist to agree with you on the license us up and make us responisble. Unfortunatly it will not make us safer, as the new law is trying to do.
inmyopinion
Do you say "uggghh" when you have to change lanes to pass a tractor going 15 mph down Lincoln?
All
I invite you to reread RCR's post. How many of you notice the hundreds of riders that you pass every day that are riding single file and obeying the laws?
August 6, 2009 at 4:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )